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Post by DaveyJones on Nov 26, 2012 11:24:05 GMT -5
"I strongly support state legislation that will allow every Chicagoan, regardless of legal status, to enjoy the rights and responsibilities that come with a driver’s license".
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Post by cocoaed on Nov 26, 2012 18:17:28 GMT -5
goingcoastal?
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Post by roadrider on Nov 26, 2012 18:57:11 GMT -5
"I strongly support state legislation that will allow every Chicagoan, regardless of legal status, to enjoy the rights and responsibilities that come with a driver’s license". So you would rather ignore them problem and have unlicensed drivers on the road endangering other drivers. |
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Post by myche on Nov 26, 2012 19:09:33 GMT -5
"I strongly support state legislation that will allow every Chicagoan, regardless of legal status, to enjoy the rights and responsibilities that come with a driver’s license". So you would rather ignore them problem and have unlicensed drivers on the road endangering other drivers. Ignore them problem??? Huh??? |
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Post by DaveyJones on Nov 26, 2012 19:57:49 GMT -5
"I strongly support state legislation that will allow every Chicagoan, regardless of legal status, to enjoy the rights and responsibilities that come with a driver’s license". So you would rather ignore them problem and have unlicensed drivers on the road endangering other drivers. He didn't actually say it but we all know the mayor was talking thatillegal aliens should have drivers licenses too. |
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Post by tomjor on Nov 26, 2012 20:57:56 GMT -5
So you would rather ignore them problem and have unlicensed drivers on the road endangering other drivers. He didn't actually say it but we all know the mayor was talking thatillegal aliens should have drivers licenses too. So you would rather ignore the problem and have unlicensed drivers on the road endangering other drivers. |
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Post by muffin on Nov 26, 2012 23:10:04 GMT -5
.......I think I'm having an out of body experience. We have people in our country illegally getting all the things that we have to work and apply for, and prove OUR citizenship while doing so......thanks Illinois for another nail.
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Post by tomjor on Nov 27, 2012 5:47:31 GMT -5
It might help to put this particular matter into another perspective. Try to understand this if you can: In Illinois undocumented workers account for barely 4% of their population, and they account for barely 10% of the crimes committed. That says they're a very small portion of the overall population in that state, and not responsible for 90% of crimes committed.
So then, who is responsible? Logic would dictate that it's the 96% of the people legally living in Illinois.
Illegal immigration needs to be resolved but simply rounding them all up is not going to happen. It's asinine to think that is even remotely possible. It makes far more sense to legalize them. Both Republican and Democrat administrations have done it before, yet there are still people in this country who think it's only liberal Democrats who want it or do it. Regardless, while that's being worked it also makes sense to require them to carry a driver license and insurance. When you consider the vast majority of the 4% who are in Illinois illegally are following the laws the strong likelihood is that the vast majority of them will obtain the license and insurance, thereby benefitting and protecting others around them.
Or, you could just continue the hypocrisy and ignore the problem, and continue to have unlicensed and uninsured drivers on the road endangering other drivers.
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Post by DaveyJones on Nov 27, 2012 11:54:40 GMT -5
or this....
Griffin and colleagues studied five years of data from the Department of Transportation’s Fatality Analysis Reporting System, 1993 through 1997. They studied 278,078 drivers involved in 183,749 fatal crashes.
Among the drivers, 13.8 percent, or 38,374, had a license that was suspended, revoked, expired, canceled or denied; had no license at all; or, in some cases, were a mystery because they were hit-and-run drivers, or law enforcement officers could not determine their license status for other reasons.
Among the crashes, 20 percent, or 36,750, involved such a driver.
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Post by DaveyJones on Nov 27, 2012 12:01:08 GMT -5
re:Illegal immigration needs to be resolved but simply rounding them all up is not going to happen.
Wasnt it some ex governor that said "Join U.S. Military or Go Home ."
Guess you don't think that's right too.
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Post by tomjor on Nov 27, 2012 12:47:08 GMT -5
re:Illegal immigration needs to be resolved but simply rounding them all up is not going to happen. Wasnt it some ex governor that said "Join U.S. Military or Go Home ." Guess you don't think that's right too. No, I don't think it's right. First, it's a stupid statement. We don't have conscription in this country, and non-citizens cannot join. Second, it's the typical ignorant response to an issue that's been around for well over a hundred years. And it always comes from those who are biased, have no solution to the problem, and aren't willing to adapt to the changes this country is experiencing. It's a twist on the old "love the U.S. or leave it". But it's not an answer. So what is your solution? |
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Post by muffin on Nov 27, 2012 13:43:19 GMT -5
@tomjor....true we don't have conscription, but we do have a mandatory selective service registration requirement for males 18 thru 26 in this country. Do you think illegals should be required to register?
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Post by tomjor on Nov 28, 2012 6:06:32 GMT -5
@tomjor....true we don't have conscription, but we do have a mandatory selective service registration requirement for males 18 thru 26 in this country. Do you think illegals should be required to register?You can't answer that question because it's moot. You first have to resolve the immigration issue. To me that answer is not that difficult: 1. Legalize those who are already here, require them to have a driver license and insurance if they drive, and add them to the selective service registration requirement. The vast majority are hard working people trying to make a life. 2. Enforce immigration requirements, especially cracking down hard on any businesses hiring or using illegal immigrants. |
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Post by Zed on Nov 28, 2012 9:38:21 GMT -5
1. Legalize those who are already here, require them to have a driver license and insurance if they drive, and add them to the selective service registration requirement. The vast majority are hard working people trying to make a life. 2. Enforce immigration requirements, especially cracking down hard on any businesses hiring or using illegal immigrants. So they are suddenly going to do what's right and start following laws? Especially living in the corrupt Chicago area where many of the already legal residents are involved in criminal activities and are not punished. Yea, right. |
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Post by tomjor on Nov 28, 2012 11:42:14 GMT -5
1. Legalize those who are already here, require them to have a driver license and insurance if they drive, and add them to the selective service registration requirement. The vast majority are hard working people trying to make a life. 2. Enforce immigration requirements, especially cracking down hard on any businesses hiring or using illegal immigrants. So they are suddenly going to do what's right and start following laws? Especially living in the corrupt Chicago area where many of the already legal residents are involved in criminal activities and are not punished. Yea, right. You're assuming they're all in this country for the purposes of committing crimes. That's the bias and ignorance I was referring to earlier. People in this country need to get over the whole "they don't look or talk like me, so they must be up to no good and so I don't think they should be here" attitude. Unless you have some other data that no one else has seen I stand by my earlier point: the vast majority of immigrants (illegal or otherwise) come here to work hard and make a better life for themselves and their families. There are always exceptions to any rule, but it doesn't equate to the vast majority. There are far, far more "legal" people born and raised in this country who commit far more crimes. Interestingly, I don't read any posts from this forum screaming for them to stop it or they have to leave the country. Hmmm, wonder why that is. |
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